[Derisive snort] The US authorities are too fucking stupid to get anything out of this guy:
Gary McKinnon: 'They can't return me to a place I wasn't in'
He's already out-thought them once - do they think that that was a fluke?
Addendum:
Of course they don't, but they're going to ignore the fact of their inconsistent approach to this type of "offence" and drive on towards their desired goal, even though that goal is a house built on sand. What is their motivation? Well, frankly, who cares - it'll be something tedious? Most likely, a desire to seek retribution in return for the humiliation of being successfully hacked by somebody that most would consider mentally aberrant, and who had the audacity to leave a message warning them of their vulnerability. Fucking halfwits - you have no authority; it was the first thing you abandoned.
Showing posts with label Intimidation. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Intimidation. Show all posts
Sunday, 16 May 2010
Tuesday, 22 December 2009
NHS watchdog is winning the price war with drug companies
I dunno what to make of this, to be honest...
NHS watchdog is winning the price war with drug companies
I suppose in a world where it seems that everything has to have an ascertainable financial value in order to be worth anything, this is good news, certainly to the taxpayer. Pharmaceutical companies will have a tougher job arguing that NICE is in the business of denying patients much-needed, ground-breaking drugs, given that there is now precedent for deals to be done...
Still, cancer treatment isn't my bugbear. I'm reasonably satisfied that the truth about mental illness is already known, but far too profitable to do anything about. Worse still, it's possible that mental illness is used as a tool of control, as so much is. After all, it's easy enough to trigger a person, or fire them with mixed messages, until they no longer have any sense of reality. But why would a person wish to do such a thing?
And when one knows how easy it is to do this, and how damagingly difficult to undo, there is no longer any fun to be had from the exercize, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that the lowest piece of shit on the face of the earth, including the anonymous trolls who come on here, from time-to-time, deserve to be treated like that. So I'll avoid humiliating them, and in return they will understand that it makes no sense to seek victories over me. Or I'll fucking lobotomize them, comment by comment.
And nobody will be able to prove a fucking thing, even though I've just said that that's what I'm going to do. Your call...
NHS watchdog is winning the price war with drug companies
I suppose in a world where it seems that everything has to have an ascertainable financial value in order to be worth anything, this is good news, certainly to the taxpayer. Pharmaceutical companies will have a tougher job arguing that NICE is in the business of denying patients much-needed, ground-breaking drugs, given that there is now precedent for deals to be done...
Still, cancer treatment isn't my bugbear. I'm reasonably satisfied that the truth about mental illness is already known, but far too profitable to do anything about. Worse still, it's possible that mental illness is used as a tool of control, as so much is. After all, it's easy enough to trigger a person, or fire them with mixed messages, until they no longer have any sense of reality. But why would a person wish to do such a thing?
And when one knows how easy it is to do this, and how damagingly difficult to undo, there is no longer any fun to be had from the exercize, because no matter how hard I try, I cannot convince myself that the lowest piece of shit on the face of the earth, including the anonymous trolls who come on here, from time-to-time, deserve to be treated like that. So I'll avoid humiliating them, and in return they will understand that it makes no sense to seek victories over me. Or I'll fucking lobotomize them, comment by comment.
And nobody will be able to prove a fucking thing, even though I've just said that that's what I'm going to do. Your call...
Wednesday, 9 April 2008
McLibel Revisited or Don't Look Back in Anger
I've had one or two complimentary things said about a few of the comments that I posted on the Pharmalot thread about the Bob Fiddaman intimidation thing. I, and one or two other people were a little disappointed that the discussion was often diverted towards the usual dichotomous "Pharma's excellent/No it's not, it's shit" argument. Being a lawyer, albeit an academic one, I saw the argument as being largely legal in its nature.
There appears to be an almost identical precedent to hand, in order that we might instruct ourselves as to any outcome, should GSK be stupid enough to pursue this to court. Yup, it's McLibel. So, I've decided to quickly run through what happened in McLibel, and then people can draw the parallels for themselves. If you want to check the accuracy of Bob's claims, then the information's on the internet. If you want to clarify the inconsistencies with the "powers" that be, which Bob has highlighted, then I suspect that you can go whistle, which is what we've been told to do, pretty consistently.
McLibel Revisited
By way of preamble, McLibel centres on a confrontation between two activists, Dave Steel and Helen Morris, over the circulation of a pamphlet, entitled "What's Wrong with McDonalds?" and McDonalds itself. A series of allegations was made in the pamphlet, which you can read for yourself, here. In brief, they concerned deforestation of the Amazon for beef farming, treatment of employees, the nutritional value of the product, exploitation of children through targeted marketing, and so on, and so on.
Ronald, it seems, didn't take kindly to this, and brought a libel action against the five London Greenpeace (not to be confused with Greenpeace), activists who had produced and distributed the pamphlet, as I understand it. The five were targeted, because London Greenpeace had no corporate identity to pursue (ie, it was just a name that a bunch of people had chosen for their loose-knit organization). Most backed down, but Steel and Morris decided to tough it out. The trial turned into the longest in English legal history, but provided massively valuable legal precedent, which Bob Fiddaman, myself and others are only too happy to exploit. Helen Steel and Dave Morris, we salute you!
I won't go into the minutiae of the discussion. Libel trials, being what they are, centre on questions of fact (ie, the only complete defence in libel is that what one has said is true, and it is incumbent upon defendants to demonstrate the truth of their assertions). Because of the hugely technical nature of demonstrating, say, that McDonalds was responsible to a certain extent for the deforestation of the Amazon, this was obviously a lengthy debate.
Now, because of the technical nature of the debate, it was accepted by the Court that McDonalds was correct to argue that ordinary people would not be able to comprehend the scientific nature of the discussion, and thus the trial was heard by His Honour, Mr Justice Bell, alone (ie, unlike your average libel trial, there was to be no jury). Also, as a matter of public policy, no Legal Aid is available for libel cases, and so the defendants had to fund their defence from their own resources and from donations from the public. Pay attention, here, because this becomes relevant about two years' later!
At the end of the High Court trial, the judge ruled that McDonalds did 'exploit children' with their advertising, produce 'misleading' advertising, are 'culpably responsible' for cruelty to animals, are 'antipathetic' to unionisation and pay their workers low wages. However, because the defendants had failed to demonstrate the truth of all their allegations the Judge ruled that they HAD libelled McDonald's and should pay GBP60k in damages. They refused and McDonald's chose not to pursue it.
The defendants appealed against the High Court decision and in March, 1999 the Court of Appeal made further rulings that it was fair comment to say that McDonald's employees worldwide "do badly in terms of pay and conditions", and true that "if one eats enough McDonald's food, one's diet may well become high in fat etc., with the very real risk of heart disease.
Steel and Morris were on a roll! They took their case to the European Court of Justice in Strasbourg, arguing that their right to a fair trial and their right to freedom of speech had been transgressed by the UK legal system. And they won, again. In brief, the public interest privilege that had been the sole perquisite of the press was extended to the public, generally. That is, provided one is not malicious, one may comment freely on a matter pertaining to the public interest. And seeing as the public interest appears to amount to "what interests the public," one may say what one chooses. The absence of Legal Aid was also criticized - there was no equality of position between plaintiff and defendant. Read the judgment, here, if you want the detail.
None of this means that one can recklessly and wantonly make impressionistic claims that impact upon the reputation of others, of course. Even if a person has contradicted themselves in public, or whose actions or pronouncements are full of inconsistencies, it is better to say that they are full of inconsistencies, rather than say outright that they are liars and hypocrites. If one wishes to say that they are liars and hypocrites, one should make it clear that it is one's opinion, based upon the facts available, because we are still permitted to hold opinions, in this country, if only just.
However, where one relies upon sources that ought to be reliable, and draws inferences based upon the information available there, then one is within the libel laws of England and Wales. And that, my friends, is really all there is to it.
Matt
There appears to be an almost identical precedent to hand, in order that we might instruct ourselves as to any outcome, should GSK be stupid enough to pursue this to court. Yup, it's McLibel. So, I've decided to quickly run through what happened in McLibel, and then people can draw the parallels for themselves. If you want to check the accuracy of Bob's claims, then the information's on the internet. If you want to clarify the inconsistencies with the "powers" that be, which Bob has highlighted, then I suspect that you can go whistle, which is what we've been told to do, pretty consistently.
McLibel Revisited
By way of preamble, McLibel centres on a confrontation between two activists, Dave Steel and Helen Morris, over the circulation of a pamphlet, entitled "What's Wrong with McDonalds?" and McDonalds itself. A series of allegations was made in the pamphlet, which you can read for yourself, here. In brief, they concerned deforestation of the Amazon for beef farming, treatment of employees, the nutritional value of the product, exploitation of children through targeted marketing, and so on, and so on.
Ronald, it seems, didn't take kindly to this, and brought a libel action against the five London Greenpeace (not to be confused with Greenpeace), activists who had produced and distributed the pamphlet, as I understand it. The five were targeted, because London Greenpeace had no corporate identity to pursue (ie, it was just a name that a bunch of people had chosen for their loose-knit organization). Most backed down, but Steel and Morris decided to tough it out. The trial turned into the longest in English legal history, but provided massively valuable legal precedent, which Bob Fiddaman, myself and others are only too happy to exploit. Helen Steel and Dave Morris, we salute you!
I won't go into the minutiae of the discussion. Libel trials, being what they are, centre on questions of fact (ie, the only complete defence in libel is that what one has said is true, and it is incumbent upon defendants to demonstrate the truth of their assertions). Because of the hugely technical nature of demonstrating, say, that McDonalds was responsible to a certain extent for the deforestation of the Amazon, this was obviously a lengthy debate.
Now, because of the technical nature of the debate, it was accepted by the Court that McDonalds was correct to argue that ordinary people would not be able to comprehend the scientific nature of the discussion, and thus the trial was heard by His Honour, Mr Justice Bell, alone (ie, unlike your average libel trial, there was to be no jury). Also, as a matter of public policy, no Legal Aid is available for libel cases, and so the defendants had to fund their defence from their own resources and from donations from the public. Pay attention, here, because this becomes relevant about two years' later!
At the end of the High Court trial, the judge ruled that McDonalds did 'exploit children' with their advertising, produce 'misleading' advertising, are 'culpably responsible' for cruelty to animals, are 'antipathetic' to unionisation and pay their workers low wages. However, because the defendants had failed to demonstrate the truth of all their allegations the Judge ruled that they HAD libelled McDonald's and should pay GBP60k in damages. They refused and McDonald's chose not to pursue it.
The defendants appealed against the High Court decision and in March, 1999 the Court of Appeal made further rulings that it was fair comment to say that McDonald's employees worldwide "do badly in terms of pay and conditions", and true that "if one eats enough McDonald's food, one's diet may well become high in fat etc., with the very real risk of heart disease.
Steel and Morris were on a roll! They took their case to the European Court of Justice in Strasbourg, arguing that their right to a fair trial and their right to freedom of speech had been transgressed by the UK legal system. And they won, again. In brief, the public interest privilege that had been the sole perquisite of the press was extended to the public, generally. That is, provided one is not malicious, one may comment freely on a matter pertaining to the public interest. And seeing as the public interest appears to amount to "what interests the public," one may say what one chooses. The absence of Legal Aid was also criticized - there was no equality of position between plaintiff and defendant. Read the judgment, here, if you want the detail.
None of this means that one can recklessly and wantonly make impressionistic claims that impact upon the reputation of others, of course. Even if a person has contradicted themselves in public, or whose actions or pronouncements are full of inconsistencies, it is better to say that they are full of inconsistencies, rather than say outright that they are liars and hypocrites. If one wishes to say that they are liars and hypocrites, one should make it clear that it is one's opinion, based upon the facts available, because we are still permitted to hold opinions, in this country, if only just.
However, where one relies upon sources that ought to be reliable, and draws inferences based upon the information available there, then one is within the libel laws of England and Wales. And that, my friends, is really all there is to it.
Matt
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