When war is just – by Obama the peace prize winner
"We will not eradicate violent conflict in our lifetimes. There will be times when nations – acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified."
Some people can justify anything, given their objectives... You're a fucking idiot, Baerach.
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Thank you Matt!
I totally agree with you.
As amazing as it might be as a Brazilian citizen my words are not of great value.
We need US and European citizens to criticizes first and refer their opinion too when we express our ideas.
Love,
Ana
Well, it's beyond credence, to my mind... "War is Peace," is what the fuckwit appears to be saying, because one cannot have real peace, while one retains the "right" to do violence.
I've said it before - Baereach O'Bama: the whitest black man I ever saw.
Matt
Baereach O'Bama: the whitest black man I ever saw.
Baereach O'Bama: the whitest black man I ever saw.
Ough!
Wow!
Lol
soon CIA will be after us!
We are against one of their main source of money and now that?
The bell is ringing. I will answer the door.
:)
LOL. The CIA is not a big, powerful, secretive organization - it a moderately large group of not-particularly-powerful, secretive individuals (they're not powerful because nobody understands what's going on - not even those in charge). Anyway, irrespective of what anybody else says, I have nothing but respect for the CIA, not least because I'm firmly convinced that it can find its arse with both hands! As such, it will do the sensible thing and stay the fuck away from me, or I'll just pour *them* down the Memory Hole, like Beta Simian.
But, as for O'Bama, he would not have got to where he is, had he not been able to demonstrate himself sympathetic to the interests of those who sponsor politicians. He's lost his cultural identity, as a black man (if he ever had one), and has acquired the culture of those he mixes with, now, whoever they are. He's not to be trusted, if he can be that fickle.
Matt
I will have to inform myself better about CIA.
I don't understand it's relation with American government.
Sometimes thy behave strangely as in Reagan's era when they saw commies everywhere.
Perhaps they are now seeing Al Qaeda everywhere too.
Not sure if they learned the lesson.
I hate to say but I never bought Obama's rhetoric.
The "change" campaign was similar to Brazilian Lula's campaign which I never trusted.
I count on my fingers the governments I think might be governing for the people.
Politics became or has always been an end in itself.
Maybe nowadays we know more...
Dunno.
All I know is that they don't think twice if their citizens has to die for whatever reason...
I'm just rambling.
Nothing official in case some read it and want to discuss.
I don't want to discuss with nobody else besides Matt.
We have exchange some of our ramblings respecting inaccuracy and other lack of total knowledge.
This is a dialog, meaning two people talking. di= 2axespon
lol
nicepoul to proove i'm human
Well, I know my MP isn't acting for me - he stopped even pretending to communicate with me, when I let him know that the approach he'd adopted to my enquiries (of stating the party line, as if it was natural that that was what I wanted to hear), wasn't satisfactory. Now he just ignores me, and as such he doesn't exist, if only for me.
Anyway, I think that the secret services of any country are supposed to be under the control of government. I'm not sure how that pans out in practice! I think pretty much everybody is pursuing their own aims, and the sheer effort (and censorship), that some organizations have to engage in to make it look as if everybody's "singing from the same hymn sheet" supports this idea. Better to acknowledge these disparate views and try to make things work within that, I think...
Anyway, as a general observation, I think I would say that if one perceives the world in terms of good and evil, or "with us or against us," then one will find it very easy to make enemies, particularly given the different objectives that one is faced with reconciling. Mind you, it's a pretty fragile reality that the CIA has if a person only has to do something that interferes with its objectives, in order to be classified as "evil"! How must the CIA look, from that person's perspective? Do they ever think about that, or do they never question that God is on their side (presumably without any evidence to support the contention)? And if they do assume God's support, do they also assume that His objectives are the same as theirs and that His objectives are "good"? Who knows and, frankly, who cares?
Hmmm. Do you think that merely mentioning the CIA, in writing, like this, is likely to bring us to their attention?.. I've heard tell of "key word" email searches, and whatnot. Perhaps I should try to "reorganize" them, on the assumption that they are listening in!?
Matt
I spoke to the third party, lol, thinking about anyone that could arrive and think we are exchanging deeply and serious thoughts about it all when we are doing nothing than rambling.
After the experience I had at my blog when someone did read what we were discussing and treated it as the utmost truth I believe I have to advise.
I don't know if CIA, hi there :) search the web.
Hella Heaven was forbidden in the "C" country because I wrote "T S quare" - I will not write it here.
I friend that could go to my blog from there cannot go any longer and...
Let it be.
I have no idea about how they think. Seriously.
Wait... I will google CIA...
LOL
plinses will prove i'm human
Foreign Language Instructors
Work Schedule: Full Time
Salary: $55,512 – $95,026
Location: Washington, DC metropolitan area
The Central Intelligence Agency is hiring qualified and experienced Language Instructors of Arabic, Chinese/Mandarin, Dari, French, Greek, Pashto, Persian (Farsi) and Russian to work in the Washington, DC metropolitan area.
https://www.cia.gov/careers/opportunities/cia-jobs/index.html#Geography
I'm searching for a position at CIA.
BRB
I did a post about the jobs.
lol
A "free-drug work force". Illegal drugs not legal I believe.
When dictatorship ended in Brazil we all played over the phone when we were talking about something about politics "do you believe the DOI-CODI is listening to it?"
They were the agency that "took care" of political prisoners.
Yes... Operation Condor "spread its wings" over a wide area, didn't it? Was Brazil in the business of "repatriating" Chilean political refugees?
As I recall, the DINA was trained by the CIA... Was DOI-CODI, too?
Matt
I was in the middle of a huge comment and everything was erased.
:(
"In Brazil ... the Amnesty of 1979 closed all cases of the regime's crimes against its citizens, and the long list of the 440 torturers printed at the end of the Archdiocese Report-names obtained through the military court's own records of its procedures against their victims-is a list of men now beyond the reach of the law, which includes many still "in service" to the republic.
Force remains immune to justice, even the "moral justice", the Report argues for, having despaired of any other and anxious not to be accused of "revenge." If the rule of law and democracy has returned to Argentina and Brazil, it may be only temporarily; meanwhile it has been extinguished elsewhere."
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Torture/RecentPoliticsCruelty_TPOC.html
People pretend dictatorship didn't happen.
With the economic crisis there is no room left to remember it now.
I'm sure that US has helped to fight the commies.
Totally stupid because they were very bad prepared and didn't know how to make a real revolution.
They killed and tortured students, intellectuals and artists as if they were fighting an Army and they were harmless.
Some decided to leave the country and was not even in their lists.
I cannot go there now.
I just heard "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam and I always think about the drug-induced suicides of children.
Traci Jonsohn comes first at my mind.
I cannot suffer for these two now.
I have to be away from the computer.
:(
My back ackes.
at this site there they explain how Brazilians were tortured...
They killed people that had nothing to do with the story.
Scums...
"Perhaps they overstated their case: the practice of using live subjects, according to the Report of the Archdiocese [Brazil], was introduced by the American police instructor Dan Mitrione in the early years of the regime: "Mitrione took beggars off the streets and tortured them in classrooms, so that the local police would learn the various ways of creating, in the prisoner, the supreme contradiction between the body and the mind by striking blows to vulnerable points of the body." When Mitrione was transferred to Uruguay to teach policemen there, the use of live subjects could be refined upon."
There you are!
:(
This is not a human being.
This is beyond any... dunno.
Desmond Tutu oversaw the so-called "Truth and Reconciliation Commission," that was responsible for seeking some kind of closure for victims and victims' families, in South Africa, at the end of Apartheid. Those who came forward and acknowledged their role were immune from prosecution. I can't say how successful the Commission was - I'm not a black South African victim of state oppression. Tutu was also involved in a similar approach to Northern Ireland's issues.
I don't know why I made comment on that, except to say that reconciliation is only possible if both parties want it. It's a thorny one, isn't it? The desire to exact revenge for all those years of terror must be very great; and yet actually achieving perfect payback must be near impossible. On the other hand, how does one benefit from dedicating oneself to revenge? Also, who's doing the torturing, now?
Yes: a very complex question. No government is ever likely to criticize its predecessors. Jeez! it's taken 100+ years for the Aussies to apologize to the aborigines and the stolen children! The reason for that reluctance is evident: they don't want to set a precedent for themselves to be condemned, in the future. It's a shame that governments generally don't think of that kind of moral reciprocity, when they're torturing their people.
Matt
.... the predecessors...
yes you are right. They behave as iftheydidn't exist.
Back pain...
b back later...
Hi Matt!
I don'r want revenge. You said it right: "moral reciprocity".
That is what should be stressed.
Have a great weekend!
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